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Rowdie
Driveshaft
Fort Collins, Co

174 Tech Posts

Posted - Jul 22 2003 :  9:42:43 PM  Show Profile Send Rowdie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Took my 79'CJ5 with the 97'XJ 4.0L swap to the State referee and I have 2 items to take care of. One was the 2nd 02 sensor, which I should have bought and put in, but wanted to wait and see if they caught it. The other was the MIL lite.

On some of the other BBS posts (pirate4x4) everybody seems to think the MIL on the 97'XJ computer needs the gauge console for the MIL lite. The ref was really helpful. Although he did not have any wire diagrams for the 97'XJ. He did pull out a wiring diagram for the 96'XJ which shows connector C3 pin C17 as the MIL lite signal. I crossed referenced this with the 97'XJ wiring diagram and the C3 pin C17 is blank. The State ref even made a phone all to a Mechanic which said the 96', 97', 98' computers are the same.

I was wondering if anybody else has come to the same conculsions?
Is there another way around the MIL lite?

Haven't had time to check it out. I'll probably need a DRB scan tool since there a few codes that might pop up. I'll need the DRB scan tool to verify the operation if the State Ref is correct about the 96'and 97'XJ computer are the same.

79' CJ5
4.0L OBDII 97' XJ Swap
T18 w/granny
Custom Dash w/XJ Cluster
4" Skyjacker Lift
Custom Fab Shackle Rev.
Turbo City Intake filter
33x12.50 MTR's
Custom Fab Bumpers
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Edited by - wiltech on Aug 01 2003 12:49:30 PM

wiltech
Scrambled
Lafayette, IN



315 Tech Posts

Posted - Jul 26 2003 :  6:40:15 PM  Show Profile  Visit wiltech's Homepage  Send wiltech an ICQ Message Send wiltech a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Very interesting ...

I've disassembled the wiring connectors on my PCM before to move some conncetors. So I can move one of my unused ones to C17.

Plus I believe I'm running a PCM from 96 on my 97

Tony W

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Rowdie
Driveshaft
Fort Collins, Co

174 Tech Posts

Posted - Jul 31 2003 :  6:02:53 PM  Show Profile Send Rowdie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well the state ref is wrong. I've tried wiring the 97' PCM according to the 96' PCM. No luck. The pin is wired to ground. So I guess I'm left with 2 choice's. Get the instrument cluster or see if the 96' PCM is compatible with all the 97' wiring and check to see if the pin is active for the MIL light.

If your interested in building your own OBDII scanner check out www.Scantool.net. They have some products to make a scanner for 75.00 bucks or less depending on how much work or time you want to put into it.

79' CJ5
4.0L OBDII 97' XJ Swap
T18 w/granny
Custom Dash w/XJ Cluster
4" Skyjacker Lift
Custom Fab Shackle Rev.
Turbo City Intake filter
33x12.50 MTR's
Custom Fab Bumpers
YJ Power Brakes
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wiltech
Scrambled
Lafayette, IN



315 Tech Posts

Posted - Jul 31 2003 :  6:27:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit wiltech's Homepage  Send wiltech an ICQ Message Send wiltech a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rowdie

Well the state ref is wrong. I've tried wiring the 97' PCM according to the 96' PCM. No luck. The pin is wired to ground. So I guess I'm left with 2 choice's. Get the instrument cluster or see if the 96' PCM is compatible with all the 97' wiring and check to see if the pin is active for the MIL light.


My engine came froma a 97 XJ, but my PCM, which I got seperately (long story) says 96 Cherokee on it.

I should be able to get a part number if you'd like.

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4ltrcj7
Driveshaft
, PA

169 Tech Posts

Posted - Aug 01 2003 :  2:48:10 PM  Show Profile Send 4ltrcj7 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I may be from out in left field here, but I know on the 95 that I had to supply +12 volts to the light and the PCM grounds it. I know it is weird, but that is how they work.
Check the schematic if you can get it. If there is anything special in there like a diode or resistor in line (doubtful) it will show it. You should not need the exact light bulb either. I actually used a yellow LED. Just make sure that you are not using some HUGE bulb that will suck too much current from the PCM.

83 CJ-7, 98 grand 4.0, 95 OBD1 wiring and sensors,4.5 rubicon express 32" BFG AT's 465.300.44.30.arb's ,wrangler tub and shield
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Rowdie
Driveshaft
Fort Collins, Co

174 Tech Posts

Posted - Aug 01 2003 :  7:01:45 PM  Show Profile Send Rowdie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've wired it both ways. Doesn't make any difference. The MIL is connected to the CCD bus line coming from the PCM and interpeted by the Instrument Cluster computer. I've done a little research and I think I might be able to Fab a electronic circuit together just to connect the MIL. Right now I'm just going to buy the instrument cluster so I can get the emmisions passed and registered with the state. Here in Colorado a 79' is eligbile for collector plates(no taxes or emmisions for 5 years). So if I can get the emmisions passed this year, get the collector plates I won't need to worry about emmisions for another 5 years.

79' CJ5
4.0L OBDII 97' XJ Swap
T18 w/granny
Custom Dash w/XJ Cluster
4" Skyjacker Lift
Custom Fab Shackle Rev.
Turbo City Intake filter
33x12.50 MTR's
Custom Fab Bumpers
YJ Power Brakes
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wiltech
Scrambled
Lafayette, IN



315 Tech Posts

Posted - Aug 01 2003 :  9:20:51 PM  Show Profile  Visit wiltech's Homepage  Send wiltech an ICQ Message Send wiltech a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have a couple dash units that I was trying to put together a "diagnostic box" that plugs into the ODB-II connector, but I never was able to get it the gauges to work off of the CCD bus. I know the ODB-II connector is working right, cause we've had both the snap-on and the AutoZone scanners plugged into it. Our thoughts are that I wasn't using a "twisted pair" of wires between the connector and the dash unit.

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Rowdie
Driveshaft
Fort Collins, Co

174 Tech Posts

Posted - Aug 02 2003 :  08:36:26 AM  Show Profile Send Rowdie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't think the twisted pair would matter. Usally twisted is just for noise. If your only going about 2' feet I can't see it would matter. From what I understand the Chrysler setup is a just a regular asych communication. Meaning RS232 lines. From my experience the transmit and recieve lines need to be swapped to communicate. Regular RS232 lines pin 2 TX would go to pin 3 RX. So maybe you need to swap the CCD + and CCD - lines to communicate. Just a thought.

79' CJ5
4.0L OBDII 97' XJ Swap
T18 w/granny
Custom Dash w/XJ Cluster
4" Skyjacker Lift
Custom Fab Shackle Rev.
Turbo City Intake filter
33x12.50 MTR's
Custom Fab Bumpers
YJ Power Brakes
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ScottDeLano
4.0 Swap Moderator
Biloxi, Mississippi

296 Tech Posts

Posted - Aug 05 2003 :  10:12:12 PM  Show Profile Send ScottDeLano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Scott,
On the 2002, I understand that the entire instrument panel is a digital pulsed set up, so the entire cluster is run with only "ONE" wire. Evidently, the driver for it, is on the back of the panel. Looking at my 2002 Chrys. man. it's an LED, driven by a driver and won't tell you what makes up the driver. Soooo, in researching it, I found I needed a 270 or so, OHM resistor to bring the voltage from 12v to about 3.5v for the LED and a 2N2222 transistor for the light switch.
Run a wire from a 'RUN-START' source to the short lead of the LED, a wire from the long lead of the LED to the resistor, then to the collector lead of the transistor.
A wire from the emitter on the transistor to ground, and the center of the transistor (base) to the PCM MIL wire. Mine's, violet/yellow, might help, mine LED won't go out because of an evap. sol. sig and a fuel tank send unit sig. Hope this helps, Terry


This is an email from SCOUT on Pirate regarding the MIL lite. FYI.

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wiltech
Scrambled
Lafayette, IN



315 Tech Posts

Posted - Aug 06 2003 :  09:37:32 AM  Show Profile  Visit wiltech's Homepage  Send wiltech an ICQ Message Send wiltech a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ScottDeLano

quote:
Scott,
On the 2002, I understand that the entire instrument panel is a digital pulsed set up, so the entire cluster is run with only "ONE" wire. Evidently, the driver for it, is on the back of the panel. Looking at my 2002 Chrys. man. it's an LED, driven by a driver and won't tell you what makes up the driver. Soooo, in researching it, I found I needed a 270 or so, OHM resistor to bring the voltage from 12v to about 3.5v for the LED and a 2N2222 transistor for the light switch.
Run a wire from a 'RUN-START' source to the short lead of the LED, a wire from the long lead of the LED to the resistor, then to the collector lead of the transistor.
A wire from the emitter on the transistor to ground, and the center of the transistor (base) to the PCM MIL wire. Mine's, violet/yellow, might help, mine LED won't go out because of an evap. sol. sig and a fuel tank send unit sig. Hope this helps, Terry


This is an email from SCOUT on Pirate regarding the MIL lite. FYI.



Thanks Scott,

I don't see a violet/yellow wire coming out of the PCM or instrument cluster on my 97...

Tony W

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ScottDeLano
4.0 Swap Moderator
Biloxi, Mississippi

296 Tech Posts

Posted - Aug 06 2003 :  1:13:13 PM  Show Profile Send ScottDeLano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think he is refering to the "PCI Bus" also found in the Data link connector. On mine it is found in the #2 cavity of the DLK. I can't get to the 98 FSM right now.

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wiltech
Scrambled
Lafayette, IN



315 Tech Posts

Posted - Aug 06 2003 :  1:30:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit wiltech's Homepage  Send wiltech an ICQ Message Send wiltech a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ScottDeLano

I think he is refering to the "PCI Bus" also found in the Data link connector. On mine it is found in the #2 cavity of the DLK. I can't get to the 98 FSM right now.


from my 97 FSM:
Diagnostic Connector (under dash)  
Pin Color/Stripe     Gauge Code Purpose       Location 
 3   Violet/Brown     18    D1   CCD Bus (+)   PCM-Grey 
 4   Black            18    Z1   Ground        Ground 
 5   Black/Lt. Blue   18    Z12  Ground        C107-9 
 6   Lt. Green/Black  18    D20  SCI Receive   PCM-Grey 
 7   Pink             18    D21  SCI Transmit  PCM-Grey 
11   White/Black      18    D2   CCD Bus (-)   PCM-Grey 
16   Tan/Black        18    F34  Fused B+      PDC 


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ScottDeLano
4.0 Swap Moderator
Biloxi, Mississippi

296 Tech Posts

Posted - Aug 06 2003 :  1:59:34 PM  Show Profile Send ScottDeLano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Damn, I dunno, tony. I guess that might work only on the new computers. I'm not that smart to figure out this stuff. I hope SCOUT is reading this and gives us some advice?????

Oh well. Sounded good.

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ScottDeLano
4.0 Swap Moderator
Biloxi, Mississippi

296 Tech Posts

Posted - Aug 08 2003 :  11:26:38 AM  Show Profile Send ScottDeLano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tony, I've been spending alot of time at the dealership lately. There are a couple of guys in the shop that want to do the same thing so they are willing to help me with this.

They stated that we should be able to use the CCD+ (violet/brown) with SCOUT's suggested wiring for the engine light. They have not tried this yet so, as with everything, we might have to try it.


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Scout
Driveshaft
San Carlos, CA

130 Tech Posts

Posted - Aug 12 2003 :  11:11:49 PM  Show Profile Send Scout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Rowdie,
I'm more familuar with the OBDII, yours is an OBDI I think. XJ's might have the MIL driver in the ECU or even PCM, It might even use a regular light, but i'm not familiar with the XJ and year. You need a factory service manual (FSM), Sorry, Terry

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wiltech
Scrambled
Lafayette, IN



315 Tech Posts

Posted - Aug 12 2003 :  11:48:37 PM  Show Profile  Visit wiltech's Homepage  Send wiltech an ICQ Message Send wiltech a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Scout

Rowdie,
I'm more familuar with the OBDII, yours is an OBDI I think. XJ's might have the MIL driver in the ECU or even PCM, It might even use a regular light, but i'm not familiar with the XJ and year. You need a factory service manual (FSM), Sorry, Terry


Terry,

The XJ's were ODB-II from 96+

I'm using a 96PCM on a 97 engine & harness.

Where's a good place to get that transistor ? Rat Shack ?

Tony W

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